Ape-man on Radio, “The earth is only 6,000 years old”


After 8 Debate Albany Museum Club Australopithecus sediba Grahamstown SAfm Talk Radio 702 Australopithecus Pleistocene 702 Fundamentalist Christian Christianity world view worldview creationism evolution Creationist Evolutionist Dr Carl Wieland Professor Francis Thackeray Dr Louw Alberts

Australopithecus sediba is a species of Australopithecus, and based on your world view, could be dated to 1.78 to 1.95 million years ago in the Pleistocene. *yawn*. Click image to enlarge.

On the way home this evening I listened to a fascinating debate on SAfm. I flutter between SAfm and 702 when I’m in the mood for talk radio. More often than not 702 is a bit left and SAfm a bit dull however over the last few months the topics on the After 8 Debate have peaked my interest.

I had watched the breaking news around Australopithecus sediba intently (maybe I’m a bit dull too). It reminded me of my fossil hunting days in Grahamstown as a member of the Albany Museum Club (yes, I know, I was always a geek, but it does have a little Indiana Jones allure to it?).

This debate squared off a Fundamentalist Christian advocate, Dr Carl Wieland (Creationist), against a well respected South African Paleontologist, Professor Francis Thackeray (Evolutionist), with some additional input by a Dr Louw Alberts (Well meaning Christian somethingist… Theistic Evolutionist?).

The debate was civil although I think the presenter failed to allow the delegates to tuck into the meat of the issue. One thing I detest about the format of the After Eight Debate is the sms’s which are always frivolous and almost always just obfuscate the conversation’s train of thought.

This is worth a listen to (MH, you don’t have choice!). Click here (http://downloads.creation.com/radio/SouthAfricanRadioBroadcast-2a.mp3) if the player doesn’t work.

Want to hear the verse in context? After 8 Debate 13 April 2010
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After 8 Debate Albany Museum Club Australopithecus sediba Grahamstown SAfm Talk Radio 702 Australopithecus Pleistocene 702 Fundamentalist Christian Christianity world view worldview creationism evolution Creationist Evolutionist Dr Carl Wieland Professor Francis Thackeray Dr Louw Alberts

Dr Carl Wieland is in great demand as a speaker on the scientific evidence for Creation/Flood, and its relevance to Christianity. Able to hold audiences (both academic and lay) with his knowledge, easy-to-listen-to style, and ever-present humour, he has lectured extensively in Australia and internationally.

Dr Wieland is Managing Director of Creation Ministries International in Brisbane, Australia. This ministry organization (which started as Creation Science Foundation, then Answers in Genesis) produces the family magazine Creation (now going to subscribers in over 100 countries), which he founded in 1978.

After 8 Debate Albany Museum Club Australopithecus sediba Grahamstown SAfm Talk Radio 702 Australopithecus Pleistocene 702 Fundamentalist Christian Christianity world view worldview creationism evolution Creationist Evolutionist Dr Carl Wieland Professor Francis Thackeray Dr Louw Alberts

Professor Francis Thackeray is a South African who obtained his PhD in anthropology through Yale University (1984), analysing faunal remains from Late Quaternary assemblages at Wonderwerk Cave south of Taung, Northern Cape Province, South Africa. Prior to that he studied at the University of Cape Town where he obtained a BSc, majoring in zoology (1974); BSc (Hons) in archaeology (1975); and MSc in environmental studies (1977).

He has been particularly interested in developing a statistical definition of a species, and in assessing probabilities of conspecificity in the context of hominid fossils from Sterkfontein, Swartkrans, Kromdraai and other sites, based on exploratory morphometric techniques. He has directed excavations at Kromdraai, Plovers Lake and Bolt’s Farm in the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site. In collaboration with French colleagues, he is the Director of the Human Origins and Past Environments (HOPE) programme. Since 1990 he served as Head of the Department of Palaeontology and Palaeoenvironmental Studies at the Transvaal Museum before being appointed as Director of the museum, a position which he held until January 2009.

After 8 Debate Albany Museum Club Australopithecus sediba Grahamstown SAfm Talk Radio 702 Australopithecus Pleistocene 702 Fundamentalist Christian Christianity world view worldview creationism evolution Creationist Evolutionist Dr Carl Wieland Professor Francis Thackeray Dr Louw Alberts

Dr Louw Alberts is ’n bekende wetenskaplike en Christenleier. Hy is op 30 Oktober 1923 gebore en het aan Rhodes-universiteit gegradueer.

In sy loopbaan was hy besoekende wetenskaplike aan die universiteite van Amsterdam en Sheffield, professor in fisika aan die Universiteit van die Vrystaat en die eertydse Randse Afrikaanse Universiteit, visepresident van die Raad op Stoomkrag, president van die Raad vir Mineraaltegnologie, direkteur-generaal van mineraal- en energiesake en voorsitter van die WNNR. Hy is ook erelidmaat van die Suid-Afrikaanse Instituut van Fisika en die Suid-Afrikaanse Akademie vir Wetenskap en Kuns.

I’m no fence sitter. For other articles I’ve written regarding this issue check out:

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2 thoughts on “Ape-man on Radio, “The earth is only 6,000 years old”

  1. The things I do for love.

    Anyone who says: The bible says, and then quotes “their interpretation” of a scripture needs to be warned.

    “the-earth-is-only-6000-years-old” This is very firm and we’ll come back to that.

    “I’m not a fence sitter”, Carl in the beginning his position at 08:46 minutes into the conversation uses the word “likely” I seek not to water down his position only to illustrate that these men are choosing to use words in some contexts too purposefully remain grey.

    I think that a lot of Scientific dating systems need to be found incorrect to accept the earth as only 6000 years old, that said I don’t know how old our earth is. I think that literal interpretaion of Genesis needs to be proved wrong wrt. timelines for the two to marry.Thus I interpret the the 6 day creation “revelationary” as per Louw [44-45min into the converstation].

    This smokescreening of all who don’t accept Creationism as Evolutionists is illussionary and supportive of the Creationist Creed. I’ve been labelled an Evolutionist many times [Not that I am for, or opposed] I have never even sat down and read the Theory of Evolution!

    I have met Creationist’s who have said: The Bible says the earth is 6000 years old. They may have to answer to God for making statements like that.

    I accept the possibility of a 6 Solar Day Creation and that of a 6 God day creation. I see the probability of it being 6 God Days more likely [Scientific Dating Techniques, The sun only appeared on Day 4]
    A day to the Lord is as a thousand years.
    Today you are with me in Paradise.
    This does make me a bit of a fence sitter, well not really, I’m clear where Scripture is clear and hazey scripture has 2 or more sound Theological Interpretations.

    Have yet to meet a Creationist who can explain the six creation days firmly as days [Solar] yet the sun was formed on day 4. Guess when there are so many loops it’s best not to make firm “knowing” statements.

    Hahahhaha, sorry tis not all that merry
    blessings
    MH

  2. In fact you are half right. However 6000 years speaks of the spiritual creation not the physical. It would be impossible for the earth to be only 6000 years physical. God Started his spiritual creation 6000 years ago, with the creation of Adam spirit and so on.

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